Man, I wish I wasn't spayed!
Still don’t stop you trying to make them Momz, you naughty little minx…………….. = )
...losers?
discuss.
Man, I wish I wasn't spayed!
Still don’t stop you trying to make them Momz, you naughty little minx…………….. = )
...losers?
discuss.
Layla
(presuming you are talking to me: I’m Mr. Majestic BTW)
You have a point there. I am looking at it a bit negatively. Despite my age, I do bounce around as a big kid. And I would say now I would be in a much better position emotionally and financially.
With you saying about your friends; I had a friend who was a lot younger than I am when I was a JW and he got married at 20. Had children at 22, now has two and has a £200,000 mortgage around his neck (not sure but I think that is about $400,000 US) He is totally immature in himself, and is going to struggle for a very long time, particularly with the economy as it is……….
I think the reason I am saying what I am is because the time I spent as a JW was the ripe time for me to be living the life that I should have been pursuing all that time. I do grieve over those wasted years.
So that’s great. I’m not a loser after all, or should I say, only when I was a JW. I feel a lot better now. Thanks Layla…….
So who wants to make some babies………..??? He he he……….(devilishly rubbing of hands)
...losers?
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Finally-Free
I quite agree that divorce or an unhappy marriage is a terrible ordeal. Only someone who has been through what you have been through would know if "it is better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all". Bet you hate that phrase……..
I have helped many a divorced person go through the ‘mangle’. Nearly every case that I have seen, I would say that it took 2 years to get though to the other side. They would come out wiser, but harder. So I can only but credit you with a knowledge beyond mine.
The cases that hit home are the ones that I illustrated with regards to my neighbours. Like I can imagine that it must be hard for you to see couples that have been together for a long time, and are still very happy. That is a part of life you are losing out on. (Sorry if this is not making you feel any better)
You can channel all your efforts into being the best person you can. That is all you can do. But I would still say that you are missing out. I know that it is not all bliss what these ones have. But when it works, and you see it working, despite problems, that is when you get that slight empty feeling of loss.
Layla
That is true. I had a discussion with a woman that I met over the holiday season and she was talking in a very envious tone about how men don’t have a ‘ticking clock’. I must say, the way that she said it was as if it was men’s fault, and me in particular…….. (suggested response: "be very understanding and just nod your head else you might get it torn off" is my suggestion……phew!!)
A man can still have children it is true, but what kind of quality of life will that be for a young family. At such an age I would say that fulfilment would be severely compromised. When I said young enough to have them, I meant young enough to play with them, to throw and catch them, beat them up when they get to the teenage years……(Kidding)
That’s the bit I have been personally robbed of…….
...losers?
discuss.
I suppose you could say that we are losers in the sense that we have lost out on having a family when we were young enough to. I think that from an ex-JW standpoint that is the bit that hurt me the most. I thought that I would wait till the long awaited ‘new system’, where I could bring up a family without the stresses of the world. Thought that I was being cleaver doing so as well. So that has blown up in my face.
So in that sense I would say that I have lost greatly, effectively making me a loser...... Oh bugger……!!
Those years wasted are proving very costly, and come back to torment every now and then. When you see a young family (like what I live next door to) it does rub it in a little.
But here is a funny and different perspective.
I had arrived home and I pulled up outside my house. I got out of the car and I could hear my neighbours baby son crying quite vehemently. I think he had been unwell and was still getting over his illness. I looked up towards the window where I could see the dad trying, unsuccessfully, to pacify his child. He had an expression on his face to denote that he would rather it all stop, but also he had the concern of a loving father. It was quite a beautiful image. I caught his eye and his look conveyed that he wish that he was in my position; free to come and go when you please, always out having a good time. It was slightly envious. But what he didn’t realise was I was looking back at him thinking the same thing. What he had, to me, was so much more than the freedom that he could see in me.
Total self-indulgence and freedom is one of the most overrated aspects that society has promoted, to the detriment of so many people. In that way I would say that I was a ‘total loser’.
i am sorry to hash and rehash this old topic, but i have a friend that has continually asked the wt's chronology of 607 and that historians do not agree with their thoughts on their selection of this date to "fit" their ideaolgies.
could someone give me information from credible historians that absolutely prove that 607 is impossible?
this person has looked up information and what they have found so far is that most websites or some persons on this site do not show conclusively that 607 is not credible.
As a non-specialist Jonsson cannot deal directly with primary sources so he is reliant on those that can, this means his research is second-hand in nature thus merely continuing the views of others. His so-called research is thus limited, opinionated and does not push scholarship forward.
scholar
The reasoning of your argumentation can also apply to the societies literature.
I would agree with you that Jonsson is reliant on the expertise of others in the fields that he lacks, and his info is ‘second hand’. But that is also true of the societies publications. Much of what they quote is just the research of other peoples work. They are in the same boat as Jonsson. But would you say that would negate their information..?? You should at least put the same question mark over the societies publications as you are putting over Jonsson’s work.
At the end of the day the date 607 is far more important to the society than it is to Jonsson, because without it their credentials crumble. They are therefore going to defend the date at all costs, even to the point of unreasonableness, which is quite evident in the older publications of the WTBS.
On the matter of Jonsson’s work, you claim that he has published it because he has a vendetta with the society. If he was treated by the society as he claims then it can be excused that he would be angry. But just to point out, he found out this information while still a JW. He would have had no reason then to have ‘apostate’ tendencies.
Just one more point, one that you will not accept I am sure. If you phone up the British Museum they will recommend the work of Jonsson in the matter of the issue of 587BC / 607BC. At least these people would have no axe to grind with the society.
Personally, I try to remain open minded about everything. But even if the date 607BC proved true, for arguments sake, it still is no proof of the issue of the ‘gentile times’. As jwfacts points out, there is no indication that there was ever a second fulfilment of what is written in Daniel chapter 4, or that 7 times amounts to 2520 days/years. It is a purely illogical assumption and never originated with C.T.Russell in the first place, which I am sure you will be aware of.
not sure - uk25% usa 11%.
yes it is a sin - uk 5% usa 33%.
yes it is a sin - uk 13% usa 40% .
I guess if they had included Ireland it would have made all of you look stupid, not just the Americans.
The last time that I looked at a map the UK included Northern Ireland......!!
Wonder if Ireland has the same problem with their southerners being ‘pretty uneducated’……??
not sure - uk25% usa 11%.
yes it is a sin - uk 5% usa 33%.
yes it is a sin - uk 13% usa 40% .
So that means that America is a little more religiously inclined than the UK. But the UK are a bunch of slappers compared to the US…….
The one on climate change did surprise me. Didn’t know that it would be quite as close. Especially after reading the recent thread….
they are one perverted group!
they pervert christianity and everything it stands for.. they pervert whatever is considered "truth" by making up new definitions of whatever word they want.
for example, a "lie" is not necessarily a lie to a jw.
I think that the word ‘perverted’ is a bit strong, but I see where you are coming from. You are right technically…..??
Although, the paedophiles could correctly be termed ‘perverted’.
the watchtower sunday made a claim to the effect that when science conflicts with the bible, the bible has always been proven to be correct.
if i had been there, i would have asked "could you provide some specific examples"?.
i'm thinking that reality is actually the other way, science always disproves the bible.
Just wanted to add that even in the middle ages people knew that the world was round.
Roger Bacon knew that the earth was round back in the 13 th century.
So before and even after the dark ages this fact was known….
This myth seemed to come about at the end of the 18 th and early in the 19 th century.
how to make a woman happy.
it's not difficult to make a woman happy.
a man only needs to be:.
See it’s a common complaint that men are inconsiderate. But how can we be. Men only want one thing………..
At least we make it easy…….